Putting the “I” in Team

Jen Olney of Ginger Consulting  (@gingerconsult) and I got into this a couple of months ago regarding the bullying incident involving bus monitor Karen Klein. I don’t need to give you any more background than that. You’ve heard everything. This is partly the result of many parents allowing (and often preferring) their kids to be adults. I don’t expect Jen to agree with me that 11-14 year olds are the worst group of people on planet Earth, regardless of culture, sex, or background. Too harsh? Now give this group of people the rights and privileges of adults. Clothing, electronics, freedom of choice, anything a parent can give them to let them hyper-individualize themselves. Jen asked me what’s wrong with being an individual. Nothing. Except, at that age, there are no individuals. So really, it creates an in-group with the cons of group-think, (exclusion, superiority, impunity) without the benefits (civic responsibility, self sacrifice). I can easily picture kids from my grammar school doing the things those boys from the bus were caught doing. My father said the same thing. But increasingly, so many kids are entitled to whatever they can be afforded (by their parent) without prior character building or achievement. Jen believes this isn’t the overwhelming norm, and is distorted by the media. I’m not so sure. I see it all the time. I saw it growing up. So many Generation Y children were the center of the universe, individually. Now we’re the parents. Yikes.

I’m not a parent. I’m an observer. How do you observe parents today?


6 thoughts on “Putting the “I” in Team

  1. Hi Grif, Let me clarify a few points since you didn’t include my comments from our discussion on twitter. First the discussion was around the punishments on that discussion we had on this subject, which I said I agreed with the school district and you did not. I did not comment that kids should individuals rather that kids in this age are not all in his manner. It is a sweeping judgement on your part to this assumption. May I suggest the next time you wish to blog about a discussion that you include comments from the party you are quoting to keep it to the facts. Thank you.

    1. Jen, I never quoted you. I paraphrased our discussion based on the way I read it, and the point of the post was to be able to expand and clarify the discussion further. That said, you have every right to represent yourself in your own words. I will either include points you give me in an addendum to the original post, or if you would like I would be happy to post your response as a guest post on my blog. Whichever you prefer…not trying to make you do more work.

      1. Grif, I disagree with your interpretation of the discussion and it’s off based. I won’t be writing a guest post to follow up this discussion, rather, I am disappointed that you are not correcting or clarifying my comments. As I said in the comments prior, my points are out of context. Since the discussion is over two months ago, there is no way to grab the tweets from that moment in time. Thank you.

  2. Grif,

    Why didn’t you post the comments within the blog post if you had them? Second, if you read the comments – which our out of context – they are still not in line with your blog post. I find it odd that you write this post two months later and the discussion is still that you have no context to which you base your opinions. First, I am a parent of an 11 year old boy, who happens to be a victim of being bully due to his autism. Second, I have worked in education as a parent and T/A. I come with the knowledge of having been on both sides of the fence. By your own account you are not a parent, nor have no background in education. The comments you posted were just paraphrased over a period of time. The “individualism” comment was about culture not specific to the bully incident.

    After the discussion with you on Twitter, I did block you. The only reason I could see your post is that you posted under the #bealeader hashtag with your blog, otherwise I cannot see your tweets. And did that because I found your tone to be a bit harsh and “bullying” in some regard. After seeing you pull up the tweets after the fact. I believe I made the right call. I would ask respectfully that you please take the link to my website out of your blog. Thank you.

    1. I’m sorry you feel that way. This is not the intelligent discussion that I was soliciting so I am equally ready to end the correspondence. All the best.

      (Your URL has been removed from the post).

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